Veepstakes

It looks like the candidates are getting closer to choosing running mates.  Who do you think each candidate will pick, and why?  Who would you personally prefer?

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Bobby Jindal (LA gov) is apparently not interested in running with McCain.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/23/jindal-says-hes-not-interested-in-no-2-spot-with-mccain/

Not that I'm a McCain supporter, but it did seem like Sarah Palin (AK gov) would have been an interesting choice.  AFAIK, she's not considered a front runner, though.

As far as Obama, I like Bill Richardson, though Nunn and Biden also seem like strong possibilities.  Hillary Clinton's interested in the spot too, and that still seems like a possibility.

From what I have heard and read it seems Romney is the presumed running mate for McCain.   I can't stand either one of them so makes no difference to me except that he might help McCain take a few states that Obama would otherwise likely win in.

Biden is my choice for Obama.  I used to be a Hillary supporter.  But after the way her campaign was mis-managed and her conduct during the primaries I have lost a lot of respect.  Keep her in the Senate where I still think she does a great job.

 

curious's picture

I like Bill Richardson for Obama. Good foreign policy experience, easy going, and might help win NM. I like Romney for McCain. He'll make McCain that much more unelectable.

Regnad Kcin's picture

I like the Reverend Wright as a running mate for McCain.  Wright is much smarter and more electable.

Bill Richardson has been my guy from the get go. He would make the perfect running mate for Obama.

AnF's picture

I have to agree with curious.  Bill Richardson would make a good running mate for "the Savior", since they're both pretty much equally clueless.   However, Richardson may be able to construct a complete sentence without adding six or seven "umms", "ahhs", or two to three second pauses...while he thinks of the next line of complete nonsense to lay on his adoring fans in the MSM.

B. Hussein Obama is such a lightweight pinhead, it might just be interesting to see how fast he can totally sink the economy and this country in general.

Ruuning mates are really important.  McCain because of his age, and Obama because he's Obama.

B. Hussein Obama is such a lightweight pinhead, it might just be interesting to see how fast he can totally sink the economy and this country in general.

If I had any doubts that you were incapable of thinking beyond the Kindergarten level, that sentence removed them.

Dan Fielding's picture

"From what I have heard and read it seems Romney is the presumed running mate for McCain.   I can't stand either one of them so makes no difference to me except that he might help McCain take a few states that Obama would otherwise likely win in."

Romney helps in Utah and maybe Michigan and Wyoming and hurts pretty much everywhere else.

I thought Richardson supporters had been turned off by what they kept calling a zipper problem.  Was that later debunked?  Rauschenberger and Richardson supporters did more to talk down their own primary candidate than anyone else I can ever remember.

Michael-Besides giving the media an opportunity to take a lot of pictures and fawn all over Obama what exactly did Obama accomplish going over seas? From watching the news you would have thought that he cured AIDS in Africa and stopped the war in the Middle East. Even though he thinks the “Surge” had no impact on the violence there, which surprised even made poor Katie Couric wonder. Who cares as long as Obama looks good.

Richardson is the most qualified, based on broad based experience, of any candidate in either primary. Since Obama is going to be the nominee, Richardson would be a logical choice. He is Hispanic, so that would help Obama. He could help carry the Southwest and maybe Florida.

For McCain, he needs a combination person who is conservative, young, and experienced, and who has had some national stage experience. It's a very short list. Romney will sink him, as will Huckabee. So to Lieberman, just in case. Kerry is out, too. (A joke, folks.)  Carly is a skinny Hillary, mean, judgmental, and is just not trustworthy looking. Newt would be a disaster. Condi would be a coup de grace, but she won't get the nod.

McCain has a tough decision, and I don't see how he can make a good one. A somebody with baggage, or a nobody who is a nobody, or the rest of them who probably see a loss, and do not want to end their politcal careers just yet.

My personal choice for Veep would be .... (drum roll, please ... ) Jim Edgar, and I'm not kidding. Executive experience, budget experience, plays well with others, a bit more conservative than McCain (who isn't in the Republican Party?) and his age would be a plus since he is a young 61. The MSI thing is old news and didn't really touch him. And otherwise scandal free. Jim Edgar would give us the showdown with Obama we wanted but didn't get in '04.

Or me. I have no experience, but I'm an American and I'm old enough. I've never done it, but I bet I could cut ribbons and fly to foreign countries and attend funerals, and even sit in the Vice President's chair in the Senate and look bored.

"I have no experience, but I'm an American"

I suppose that it's in the constitution, but since a big part of this election is how you play in Germany and whether you've got a name that reaches out to the muslim world, I wouldn't get too hung up on the American thing...it's almost a medieval concept

hmm, i think Gordy should be our VP pic for Obama and Jason Barickman would make a fine choice for McCains VP pics. Obama would have someone who represents actual sane people and McCain would have someone who represents self-serving, egotistical attorneys!

D. Boon's picture

Michael-Besides giving the media an opportunity to take a lot of pictures and fawn all over Obama what exactly did Obama accomplish going over seas?

I think his plan for withdrawing troops picked up a major endorsement:

As Obama visited Iraq for the first time in more than two years, comments Monday by the nation's government spokesman roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered a glimpse of Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles.

"We are hoping that in 2010 that combat troops will withdraw from Iraq," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said after Obama met with al-Maliki - who has struggled for days to clarify Iraq's position on a possible timetable for a U.S. troop pullout.

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said - then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces.

Should make for some great ads and talking points in the fall.  I'd say that it is another example of Obama's good judgement on the issue of Iraq, but certain corners of this blog will blow a gasket.  So let's just say it is fortunate that his timeline is so close to the Prime Minister's.

 

roughly mirrored the Illinois senator's withdrawal schedule and offered--I think it has been widely disputed as to what Al-Maliki said but roughly is a big word considering that Obama isn't really sure what he has said about pulling the troops out and when?

Iraq's growing confidence as violence drops and Iraqi security forces expand their roles. I find this quote interesting after all your comments about whether violence would drop in Iraq after the Surge, but Obama wasn't sure either so maybe you are right.

 

Iraq's Sunni vice president, Tariq al-Hashemi, said after meeting Obama that Iraqi leaders share "a common interest ... to schedule the withdrawal of American troops."

"I'd be happy if we reach an agreement to say, for instance, the 31st of December 2010" would mark the departure of the last U.S. combat unit, he said - then noted that any such goal could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces. When you say great ads do you mean for McCain because if I remember my math right that’s about 23 months after Obama would become president isn't that longer then 16 months? Obama’s last promise to pull the troops out was 16 months or did I misunderstand him again? Really it sounds like what McCain has said that it will depend on what is happening on the ground in Iraq, when things like threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces are considered then they will consider when to pull out. The new goal is of course just another flip flop by Obama not covered very well by the media, in other words it’s not 16 months its maybe 23 months or maybe when we think it’s safe, which isn't really a set schedule. So I guess I would say that Obama’s trip to Iraq and talk to Maliki muddled American Foreign Policy, we got some nice pictures though?

 

D. Boon's picture

Consider the gaskets blown.  Anyone else want to pile on about how Maliki and Obama really completely disagree with each other and Maliki actually agrees with McCain?  Let the Obama Derangement Syndrome reign!

IlliniPundit's picture

"hmm, i think Gordy should be our VP pic for Obama and Jason Barickman would make a fine choice for McCains VP pics. Obama would have someone who represents actual sane people and McCain would have someone who represents self-serving, egotistical attorneys!"

Huh?

I guess I can read Dboon, you posted it I commented so it does not say. It doesn't say Dec 31st 2010 isn't that different then 16 months? and I suppose this isn't a change also-or could be revised depending on threats and the pace of training for Iraqi security forces? So is Obama getting the troops out in 16 months or not?

 

Let the Obama Derangement Syndrome reign! do I have it?

Kevin Sandefur's picture

Run: as I read the article, the December 2010 statement wasn't from Obama, it was from al-Hashemi, so no, it's not a change by Obama.

In fact, Obama's position hasn't changed at all, regardless of the media's insistance on pretending that they can't understand any position that takes longer than three words to explain.  Sixteen months is still Obama's goal, and has been for a long time, assuming that conditions on the ground allow.

I think we can all agree that it would be stupid to insist on a rigid timetable with no possibility of adapting to changing circumstances.  That's why Obama has never done that, and why all the media spin about an alleged shift is a clear oversimplification to the point of blatant misrepresentation.

Arvid's picture

I think we can all agree that it would be stupid to insist on a rigid timetable with no possibility of adapting to changing circumstances.  That's why Obama has never done that, and why all the media spin about an alleged shift is a clear oversimplification to the point of blatant misrepresentation.

But Kevin, that can't be true, because that would mean the MSM isn't fawning over Obama...  Unless we're using Joan's definition of fawning, where any mention of Obama is clearly a bias for him...

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At some point we have to trust the government. - redstatewannabe on 2008-06-12 at 1:14pm

Run: as I read the article, the December 2010 statement wasn't from Obama, it was from al-Hashemi, so no, it's not a change by Obama.Hi Kevin how are you? al-Hashemi as I understand the quote was commenting (not the story) on his discussion with Obama. The whole discussion in the media was how Maliki and al-Hashemi agreed with Obama, right? So when al-Hashemi says it Dec. 31st then Obama must also agree with that time table, read the comments on the thread. I was just repeating what I read. See this is a way of showing McCain does not know what he’s doing in not having a schedule for withdrawal. Well either Maliki agrees with Obama or he doesn’t, you can’t have it both ways.   ***think we can all agree that it would be stupid to insist on a rigid timetable with no possibility of adapting to changing circumstances. I wouldn't agree when the war wasn't going well Obama's statement's like many people on this Blog was much stronger like not in 16 months but get out now. That in my opinion is what would make McCain a better commander and Chief he had the experience to see that the direction of the war could be improved that a "Surge" would work. McCain didn't give up on the troops even when things were tough and allowed the troops to succeed. Obama doesn't even have the experience to even know when to stick to a plan. That’s bad for the military, troops and when trying to deal with other countries.

Kevin Sandefur's picture

"al-Hashemi as I understand the quote was commenting (not the story) on his discussion with Obama. The whole discussion in the media was how Maliki and al-Hashemi agreed with Obama, right? So when al-Hashemi says it Dec. 31st then Obama must also agree with that time table,"

That is really, really reaching.  There are way too many unsubstantiated assumptions in that thought sequence to be able to sustain its own weight.  al-Hashemi appears (to me, at least) to be speaking for himself and to have been expressing his own viewpoint here, and perhaps that of his allies in the Iraqi government.  He does not attribute it to Obama in any way, and in fact Obama clearly reaffirmed his sixteen month goal almost simultaneously.

"Well either Maliki agrees with Obama or he doesn’t, you can’t have it both ways."

This is a perfect example of the sort of oversimplification I was talking about.  It is not necessary for Maliki and Obama to be in lockstep agreement on every minute detail in order to be in general agreement about the need for a relative timeframe for U.S. withdrawal.

"I wouldn't agree when the war wasn't going well Obama's statement's like many people on this Blog was much stronger like not in 16 months but get out now."

Obama has never said we have to get out now.  His position, even in the war's darkest days, was that America must be "as careful in our withdrawal" as we were careless going in.  Every proposal he has ever offered for ending the war has always called for responsible phased reductions in troop strength over time, and as a result, he has always required a relatively extended time line for doing so.

I will grant you that he has more than once said that this process should begin right away, but he has always, always insisted that it would be irresponsible to pull all of the troops out at the same time as quickly as it was physically possible to do so, with no regard for the situation on the ground.

Out of all the main Democratic primary candiates, only Richardson and Kucinich called for that sort of immediate withdrawal.   When asked directly about it during the debates, none of the big three (Obama, Clinton, or Edwards) were able to guarantee the full withdrawal of American troops by even the end of their first term.