Carle Suing Over Exempt Status

Carle is suing over their exempt status.  Article tonight in the Gazette.

You can read their suit here.

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RexBradfield's picture

I mentioned this before, and will re-state it.

Because the State of Illinois is solving its cash flow needs on the back of the Health Care Industry, and give the prodigious amount of slime at the administrative level of the State, the tax exempt change was only a matter of time.

What the State is trying to do, is get out of paying Medicaid, buy making their creditors have to pay taxes. The taxes offset the amount owed or a part of it.

Provina realized that and made that statement to me, when I was campaigning. Now it is Carle's turn to try and fight the status. Who will win?

The Governor will get to keep the Medicaid money for a bit longer, the Attorneys will get very rich.

Carle will probably do what Provena did and eventually pay or their property will be sold for taxes.

To that end, I am, and shall always remain;
Rex Bradfield

Don't level this at the attorneys.  I agree with everything you say about the motive and his reason to do this.  Blago is all about class warfare.  The rich hospitals and doctors are not paying their "fair share"  It is the same horse pucks he always uses.  One million to the black church fire even though it was covered by insuance.  The man needs to go to jail and now.

I agree he needs to go to jail, which will come in duel time with the prosecutions.  Yet Mike Frerichs says nothing about this corrupt administration.

RexBradfield's picture

John,

Sorry, didn't mean to level it at the attorneys. Let me re-state it in another fashion.

Because of the nature of the issue, this cannot help but be a large man hour task for any law firm working on this suit. They will get rich simply because of the number of hours this is gonna take. Remember any Government Agency has only one theory when involved in a law suit.

"We don't have to beat you, we just have to break you."

The State will do all it can to drag its feet, until the tax deadlines approach and other statutory actions are enacted.

Again, sorry John and thanks for reminding me to clarify my statement.

To that end, I am, and shall always remain;
Rex Bradfield

That's quite an assumption on your part, Rex.  Please back it up with some facts....

Isn't this whole thing about charity?  I mean, the hospitals want a tax break because they are supposedly charitable entities.  But as it has been pointed out before on this blog, the amount of their total income they actually paid out in charity was far, far less than what they would have if they had paid in property taxes.

Carle is no more a non-profit charitable organization than Wal-Mart is.  Carle carefully plays games with finances between the Clinic and Hospital sides of the operation to try and minimize their tax liability.    Frankly the state should be looking much harder at many organizations that claim to be tax exempt.

I did a very quick look at the 44 page suit brought by Carle.  It appears to me that the crux of the issue is whether one loses their "not for profit" status when a "not for profit " leases a portion of its property to an affiliated "for profit" entity.  These questions have often been the subject of "revenue rulings" by the IRS and I suppose the State of Illinois.  Quite often the IRS will issue ruling that constitute "safe harbours"-defining the degree of for profit activity that a not-for-profit can engage it.  For example, a not for profit country club, a 501 (c) (7) may receive revenue by leasing out their course for a not-for-profit golf outing.  Now whether they can engage in other activities beyond the safe harbours provided in the regulation are another issue. 

In law, sometimes when there is a doubt as to whether or not a particular course of conduct will cause you problems, you can apply for a ruling by the attorney general.  One of the issues in the suit was whether one of their buildings could be leased to their for profit clinic.  Thus the issue is whether this particular use was so significant that it constituted a scheme to avoid taxation.  That is the issue.  I will use another example that was not an issue in this case.  If the hospital purchased drugs at a discount based on its not-for-profit status and then resold them throught Carle's for-profit pharmacy, that would be a no no that might make it lose its not for profit status. 

What most people do not know, however, is that there are many not-for-profit exemption.   The common one, 501 (c) (3) merely means that those that contribute get to deduct contributions.  Anon M. Muss misses the point when he or she suggests that "Carle plays games with finances..."  The rules of these games are set by legislators and the bureacrats that write and enforce the regulations.  Sometime people like Jo Ann Chester may take the view that one has gone beyond the permissible, but if we didn't have all these rules, laws, regulations and bureaucrats,  us lawyers would be changing bed pans.

 

if we didn't have all these rules, laws, regulations and bureaucrats,  us lawyers would be changing bed pans.

 

Would that necessarily be a bad thing? :)

RexBradfield's picture

01:08 PM, Anonymous

No Assumption there, I heard it. The second post, I heard testimony to that fact.

Watch what happens, if the suit proceeds.

Read what John M. posted very carefully and you see the delay and wiggle room there.

To that end, I am, and shall always remain;
Rex Bradfield