On WDWS this morning, did I really hear Sen. Mike Frerichs blaming his staff for his voting for a pay raise for himself and other legislators?
On WDWS this morning, did I really hear Sen. Mike Frerichs blaming his staff for his voting for a pay raise for himself and other legislators?
Can you tell us how we can find the list of how all the Legislators voted on this pay raise? I'm surprised no one has posted this list, including major media outlets. Maybe I just missed it, thanks.
The Senate roll call vote is linked in the original post (and here).
The House roll call vote is here.
Both votes fell largely along partisan lines, with both State Rep. Naomi Jakobsson and State Sen. Mike Frerichs voting for the pay raise.
You gotta blame someone!!!! You can't expect these overpaid misfits to read EVERY bill that comes across their desk's!
I think they should double the pay for all the elected positions.
I think that they should pay them based upon how many bills they actually read.
Actually, listining to Frerichs this morning he explained how the bill was held back from the rank and file, even when asked for on the floor by Senator Frerichs, and then was plunked down on their desks a few minutes before their vote. While he generally agreeded with most aspects, as did most Democrats, of the approp. bill he did want to know if it contained the pay raises. He asked, the staff said no, and not having enough time to thumb through hundreds of pages to see arcane language relating to a pay rase, Sen. Frerichs trusted the staff and voted "Aye." In the campaign he spoke of being against a pay raise and against the shennangans that the leadership pulled by attaching the pay raise to the fallen solider fund, and I know if given enough time or accurate infomration from the staff Sen. Frerichs would have voted differently. I think now is the time when the phrase, "Politics is like making sausage, you don't want to know what goes into it," applies.
Maybe candidates should campaign on how well they can read bill and prep for votes... C'mon Mike - do the work.
If you believe Frerichs, the system is corrupted. If you do not believe Frerichs, he is not trustworthy. Either way, Illinois taxpayers lose, a state we should be use to by now. What ever happen to Win-Win or is that just in private buisness?
"Actually, listining to Frerichs this morning he explained how the bill was held back from the rank and file, even when asked for on the floor by Senator Frerichs, and then was plunked down on their desks a few minutes before their vote. While he generally agreeded with most aspects, as did most Democrats, of the approp. bill he did want to know if it contained the pay raises. He asked, the staff said no, and not having enough time to thumb through hundreds of pages to see arcane language relating to a pay rase, Sen. Frerichs trusted the staff and voted "Aye." In the campaign he spoke of being against a pay raise and against the shennangans that the leadership pulled by attaching the pay raise to the fallen solider fund, and I know if given enough time or accurate infomration from the staff Sen. Frerichs would have voted differently. I think now is the time when the phrase, "Politics is like making sausage, you don't want to know what goes into it," applies."
Having worked for the General Assembly, that's a believable explanation. But it does lead to three questions:
Frerichs also said in Kate Clements' article over this weekend that he won't accept the pay raise for himself and called on the Governor to veto it from the bill.
Rich Miller covered this on CapitolFax and pointed out that the pay raise was attached to a supplemental funding bill that also had money for widows and orphans of soldiers in it. That would be a hard thing to vote against.
It's pretty sick that the Senate leadership would do this, though. Those kind of underhanded tactics used against even their own members look terrible.
Gordy, Is that like some new dropped blog post advertisment or something. When do we get the 3 questions? :) I promise to only blog IP if you tell us the 3 questions.
Well Gordy, I'm sure that Frerichs, having worked diligently on behalf of our district for 6 months now, knew what local projects were being funded in that bill, not to mention the numerous other funding projects that as a Democrat Mike supports. He had one major hang up with the bill; the pay raises that were passed well before he was sworn in and the funding for them, being included in a huge supplemental. Hence his question to staff, who you have to admit have a much better idea of what is exactly in the bill since they are often the ones that actually write and negotiate it, if there was the funding mechanism for the pay raises included. Now, staff, since they serve at the discretion of the President (something that right wingers have mentioned quite a bit recently for some reason that escapes me.........) might have been directed by their bosses not to answer or to play dumb if questioned by Senators on the exact contents of such a massive bill. IF that is the case, and I'm not sure if it actually was, then they answered how they were instructed to do so, and Frerichs took them at their word. Call it a mistake of a freshman lawmaker, or call it what you will but I think that by Mike saying he was told that there was no pay raise funding it in and then decided to support the bill shows that he was, A) Opposed to the pay raise as he had said previously, B) Willing to vote against the bill if the pay raise was included and he knew about it, and C) Caught in a position that many rank and file lawmakers are put in countless times whether in the US Senate or the County Board. Budgets are messy things, big funding bills even more so (don't you remember all the goodies that the GOP had to pile into the Medicare budget to get enough GOP support?) and often the good is lumped in with the bad just to make sure enough votes are there to pass it. In this case count me as one of the disgusted many who feel the pay raises should have been a separate vote and not tied to the funding for the fallen heroes program. That puts legislators in an impossible bind, vote against funding for a program that honors the families of those that died in Bush's stupid war, or vote for a pay raise. The Senate leadership, although they are of my Party, has failed us this session. Lay blame where you want, but Frerichs has done and will do his best to represent this area (even Gordy admits that in posts) and hopefully he and others can use this vote and the failure of the Senate leadership to pass a rate freeze or state budget as an example for the need for new blood next session. We can only hope, but in the mean time I support Senator Frerichs and believe him when he says he asked about the pay raises and was told a lie.
"The Senate leadership, although they are of my Party, has failed us this session. Lay blame where you want, but Frerichs has done and will do his best to represent this area (even Gordy admits that in posts) and hopefully he and others can use this vote and the failure of the Senate leadership to pass a rate freeze or state budget as an example for the need for new blood next session. We can only hope, but in the mean time I support Senator Frerichs and believe him when he says he asked about the pay raises and was told a lie."
I sometimes feel like I'm the only one, but I think Frerichs has to bear some responsibilty for the performance of the Senate leadership - he voted for them, and by all indications, he still supports them.
And I think Frerichs should take responsiblity for voting for the bill, not blame staff. Heck, even Rep. Jakobsson said, basically, the bill isn't perfect but I felt like I had to vote for it. Jakobsson accepted responsibility. Frerichs chose to blame someone else.
ut I think Frerichs has to bear some responsibilty for the performance of the Senate leadership - he voted for them,
And most importantly, he knew exactly what kind of people he was voting for.
The arguement that the bill was hundred of pages is BS. SB 241 is 75 pages and from what I have been told is identical to a bill passed from the senate to the house earlier in the session. Good try Mikey but we elected you not whoever your staff is.
$63,000 isn't all that much money for the education levels that most senators have, government doesn't pay much as a whole.
$100,000 bought Frerichs campaign manager Curt Deedrich a nice settlement from the Champaign County taxpayers.
I said this during the campaign when I ran and will say it again. If Mike or Naomi were professional engineers or professional land surveyors, or any other licensed professional and gave their blessing to any document which was their responsibility to read, understand content and make a decision concerning, without reading the same, they would lose their license.
This does not cut it in engineering:
The engineering technicians told me the design contained 8" pavement (actually only 6") and I sealed the plans thinking it was 8". It will work with cars, we will just re-route trucks.
Or in architecture;
The architect technician told me the steel sizing was adequate and redundant (actually neither) and I sealed the plans and had the building built. It is probably OK.
Here were your options. No, I read it and saw it included the pay raise. No, I did not have time to read it and will error to the conservative side. Abstain, I did not have time to read the Bill. Finally, document your reasons.
You wanted the job, do it professionally, or resign.
To that end, I am, and shall always remain;
Rex Bradfield
Rex, your examples deal with professional ethics which is not found in politics.