The smoking ban...will we be flogged for defending our rights?

Here's an interesting article from the Sun-Times written by Dennis Robaugh.

 

At least you won't be flogged for smoking

(http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/robaugh/241733,041ROB1.article)

 

February 4, 2007

 

 

I was drawn to the package -- a royal red box, a knight's helmet atop a coat of arms flanked by two regal lions. Beneath the logo, a banner bore the phrase "In Hoc Signo Vinces."

And inside the palm-sized package were my father's favored smoke, the unfiltered Pall Mall red.

I remember my first lip lock with tobacco. I swiped a pack from the kitchen counter where my dad would drop his wallet, keys and smokes every day. I found a book of matches and snuck into the darkened basement. Crouched beside a dresser where my father's reel-to-reel tape recorder sat, I nervously struck a match, set fire to the pilfered stick and sniffed the smoke, the scent of Pall Mall red inextricably connected to my dad.

I placed the cig to my lips and drew a breath -- first a little, then a lot.

Whereupon I choked and my eyes teared. I tried again, only to gag and spit. Little flecks of tobacco stuck to my lips.

What a tough guy my father must be, I marveled.

I was 11.

A week later, I mustered up the nerve to try again. I studied my father's technique.

This time, I got sick to my stomach.

Curiosity extinguished.

Five years later, my father noticed a few of my buddies carried packs of Marlboro Lights -- a womanly cigarette, in my view. Dad admonished me not to start.

"Way ahead of you, Dad," I replied, recalling the ill-fated basement experiment.

I never joined the legions of smokers, but I empathize. Throughout my childhood, both my parents smoked, as did every aunt and uncle in the family. Second-hand smoke never bothered me. Still doesn't. Today, though, nearly everyone in my family has quit. Dad's been off the cancer sticks for about 20 years now. Mom can't drop the habit, though. When she comes to visit, she sneaks them in the bathroom.

My fascination with smoking ended quickly, but the American fascination has endured for hundreds of years.

"In Hoc Signo Vinces" ... in this sign, you will conquer.

These days, smokers seem to be the conquered.

Two decades after workplaces forced their nicotine-addicted employees outside to smoke their lungs, local governments now are declaring all public places tobacco-free zones.

The put-upon smoker feels like a criminal, a victim of discrimination. Smokers' tempers have flared of late with Orland Park and Tinley Park looking anew at their smoking bans and the effect they may have on local restaurants and pubs.

Look back in history, however, and you'll find these latest bids to stomp out smoking pale in comparison (as pale as an 11-year-old sucking on an unfiltered Pall Mall red). In centuries past, the punishment for fouling the air with your lung-candy was far more severe.

Abigail Cutler, writing in the January/February Atlantic monthly, assembled the following great moments in tobacco prohibition history.

1624: On the logic that tobacco use prompts sneezing, which too closely resembles sexual ecstasy, Pope Urban VIII issues a worldwide smoking ban and threatens excommunication for those who smoke or take snuff in holy places. A century later, snuff-loving Pope Benedict XIII repeals all papal smoking bans.

1633: Sultan Murad IV prohibits smoking in the Ottoman Empire; as many as 18 people a day are executed for breaking the law.

1634: Czar Michael of Russia bans smoking, promising whippings, floggings, a slit nose and a one-way trip to Siberia for even first-time offenders. By 1674, smokers are deemed criminals subject to the death penalty. Two years later, the ban is lifted.

1646: The General Court of Massachusetts Bay prohibits citizens from smoking tobacco except when on a journey and at least five miles away from any town. The next year, the Colony of Connecticut restricts citizens to one smoke a day, "not in company with any other." By the early 1700s, New England is a major consumer and producer of tobacco.

1895: North Dakota bans the sale of cigarettes. Over the next 26 years, 14 other statehouses follow suit. By 1927, all smoke-free legislation -- except that banning the sale of cigarettes to minors -- is repealed.

1942: Adolf Hitler calls tobacco "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man, vengeance for having been given hard liquor," and directs one of the most aggressive anti-smoking campaigns in history, including heavy taxes and bans on smoking in many public places. Germany's anti-smoking movement loses most of its momentum after the Nuremberg trials, and by the mid-1950s, domestic consumption exceeds prewar levels.

I think banning smoking in bars is a little over the top, though not as severe as flogging or nose-slitting.

The cigarette and the alcoholic drink go hand in hand, so to speak, at the local tavern. Smoke is part of the culture, and you know this if you frequent any watering hole. Full-fledged restaurants, on the other hand, here a case for a ban can and should be made. A smoker ought to be able to exercise enough self-control to abstain for the course of a meal.

Contrary to the invective unleashed by irate smokers these days, the crusade to stop smoking in eateries now sweeping the country doesn't quite match the zeal of the Nazis or, worse yet, the Puritans.

Dennis Robaugh can be reached at drobaugh@dailysouthtown.com.

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I am a former user of tobacco but, I have compassion for those who chose to smoke! What really bothers me is the ban on smoking in bars. Most of the people who complain about this do not and never have been to a bar! People, this isn't an issue about smoking at all and all you anti-smokers who are thrilled with this ban, will not be so thrilled when they take away one of the rights that effect you. This is all about our rights, and if we Americans don't stand up for each other we will have no rights. They start with little things that effect maybe one group, smokers, then come the food police, the big corporations  have all moved to foreign countries for cheaper labor. Where does that leave our workers. This country is overrun by people south of the border. Then we have a big Bank of America(they call themselves that, for what reason I don't know) that wants to give all the illegal aliens credit cards with no background checks)  if they are so anxious to help someone why not help thepoor people in this country who were born and raised in America and so many fought and died for this country.  So before you go to bed tonight Take a good look out your front door. What I see out my front door is the American flag.  There might come a day sooner than later when we will not be able to fly our American Flag. Just as they have taken prayer out of the schools and some are not allowed to recite the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE  some day our right to fly our American flag will also disappear.   I feel sorry for all the anti-smokers because they really think this is about smoking!!  Wake up people!!! It is not to late. We should be governing what our elected officials are doing in Washington and our states. All our manufactures  have gone to foriegn markets, they will soon be banning our right to read, we have cameras everywhere, watching us (for our safety) that's what they pass it off as, so people if you aren't terribly angry about the affairs of state we are in today,  then YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!!!!

So do you have anything new to add to this discussion, or are you going to continue with the same slippery-slope stories that do pretty much nothing to change the opinions of anybody? I'm interested to hear what your opinions on the civil rights movement are, and how it fits in with your feelings on property rights....

Anon 1:15am

Dude the slipery slope argument is totally valid.. WHERE DOES IT STOP?

Do you own any property?

Try this. I got a $75(or something like that, it was a few years ago) dollar ticket, because my lawn mower was broke down for a couple weeks, and my grass got too long..And a WARNING because there were some weeds growing on my gravel driveway...

Not to worry though, I got rid of them by pouring a s..t-load of poison on my "green space".... ground water be damned I guess?!

My neighbor got fined for having too much "unsightly" building  materials on his property, while rebuilding his garage...

You can have a wood burning stove but God forbid you neatly stack "too" much wood on your own property...apparently that's against the law too...WHERE DOES IT STOP???!!!!

You think there's no slippery slope? Man we're already sliding down it... wake up!!

The only slippery slope here is the one your argument slid down after the first two sentences.

I hope that there are at least some people around here who think that the flag or the revised version of the pledge of allegience have little to do with what is great about the country.

Nice article--it's nice to see you posted articles from different perspectives of this debate.

Peace.

 

eggs ackley's picture

"The only slippery slope here is the one your argument slid down after the first two sentences."

Wenalway, Your response is a bit obtuse. Explain what you mean rather than just dashing in with a caustic remark and leaving. I know that's your style, but this is a discussion.

Wenalways arquements have become repetative and tiring, SQD.

Not as repetitive and tiring, though, as the HSQD argument style of Throw Anything And Everything Against The Wall, See What Might Stick, Then Claim That Proves Something.

Wait, I think I hear something aboard the USS HSQD:

First Mate: Captain, giant waves coming from all sides!

Davy Jones: I guess we need to set some more places at the dinner table -- again.

What are we having?

Probably fish.

QueenOfMemphis's picture

I vote for shrimp 

eggs ackley's picture

Probably imitation crab.

QueenOfMemphis's picture

Why settle for imitation when the real deal is so plentiful?

where's a good place to get crab? not crabs

Politicalchemy's picture

You'll thank me for this link...

Pike Place Fish Market

(Seattle)

...then you'll curse me for the money you can tie up in just one visit.  But if you have the irresistible jones for some great seafood, get it delivered right to your house.

I recommend the Copper River King Salmon -- early to mid-June.

QueenOfMemphis's picture

Roughly 80 bucks for one pound of Alaskan King Crab legs delivered to your door. Best crab on the planet--not counting Wenalway, of course.

Exit stage left

No one seems to crab more than bar owners who can't find a way to serve the public.

Politicalchemy's picture

C'mon Queenie, you're a numbers chick.  If you order five pounds, it's a mere $36 a pound shipped!

Teacher Man's picture

fwiw -

The wife and I took the baby (1ish) down to Crane Alley Sunday night.  We got there, saw the outdoor seating was full and thought about going to the Courier.  Then my wife mentioned, "Oh, it's ok.  There's no smoking now."

We had a wonderful evening and even saw some friends who mentioned they have been going out more often now that the bars are smoke free.  The place seemed busy for a Sunday night, and the Buffalo Chicken Sandwich is still the best in town.

Not sure if that's relevant to the discussion, but just thought I'd mention that it does seem like the no-smoking crowd is starting to enjoy the bars more.  Oh ... and I've had weeds growing through my gravel for several years now but have never recieved a ticket.  Maybe the poster above needs to be friendlier to his neighbors?  Just a thought.

Cheers!

QueenOfMemphis's picture

I must not be going in deep enough. I just saw where it says $55 shipping for the first 12 pounds + $ 22.99/pound for the legs. 

QueenOfMemphis's picture

Teacher Man: I'd say your post is much more relevant to the thread than our crab diversion has been. :)

The place seemed busy for a Sunday night, and the Buffalo Chicken Sandwich is still the best in town.

Yeah, their Buffalo Chicken Sandwich is good.  I admit that as a nonsmoker, it's also easier for me to be in the bars.

redstatewannabe's picture

The wife and I took the baby (1ish) down to Crane Alley Sunday night.  We got there, saw the outdoor seating was full and thought about going to the Courier.

 

So, what happens when the smokers hog all the outdoor seating all over town?  Is that ok, or are we going to need to mandate non-smoking outdoor sections?

Glock21's picture

People take babies to bars? 

 

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Glock21 Op/Ed

Teacher Man's picture

rsw - I didn't actually see a lot of smokers outside.  I went out to say "hi" to a couple of friends and no one was smoking.  Granted, I was only out there for five or ten minutes, but still ... nobody smoking.

As for the baby-at-the-bar thing: that kind of comment gets right at the problem I see in C/U these days.  I might be nuts, but it seems like there are A LOT more young parents toting their kids around these days than ever before.  Yet so many business owners continue to make it difficult to be a parent and enjoy a meal, or shop, at the same time.  Downtown Champaign is one of the least "family friendly" downtowns I've ever seen.  Hardly a spot for the kids to play or chill.  ALL the development seems geared toward Yuppieness.  What happens when these Yuppies get kids?

Kudos to the owners of Crane Alley for making a place that is family friendly.  We enjoyed the food, the highchair worked fine, and we'll be back.  I might not know much, but I do know this: the smoking ban just earned Crane Alley some new customers.

redstatewannabe's picture

What happens when these Yuppies get kids?

They quit going "out".

People take babies to bars? --we are not going to ban that now too? gee can't do anything anymore.